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	<title>Comments on: Follow the Herd. How behavior and stories spread through online crowds</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Holsgrove</title>
		<link>http://veryevolved.com/2009/01/follow-the-herd-how-behavior-and-stories-spread-through-online-crowds/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Holsgrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Patrick, very enjoyable.  I can see your assertion of the transfer of attention holding true in addition to the transfer of information.  But is it completely accurate to say that propagation of information cannot be measured by the value gained by its recipients and / or distributors?  

I&#039;d suggest there is value, more from the perspective of the distributor as opposed to recipient or consumer, in respect of how that may be perceived within their tribe.  For example, by propagating your article as I&#039;ve done, the value I gain (probably measured by total followers I receive relative to total followers pre-propagation, and / or a calculation of &#039;value&#039; it presents to those in my network who&#039;ve chosen to &#039;spend&#039; some attention on it) is the growth of my network and / or the value I may present within it.  

Additionally, the more one studies the area of decision making the more you begin to unearth the plethora of pressure&#039;s on a mind at any given time.  Take a golf shot for example.  I could be exactly the same distance away from a hole, on the same course on two different days and choose two different clubs.  The decision I make will depend on a whole series of criteria, some predictable and relatively stable calculations and others massively subjective.  The most subjective being the mind.  My minds state at the point I choose a club and my ability to therefore play the shot is something very difficult to rationalise, even by the person swinging the club!

Clay Shirky suggests that the quickest way to solidify a group is to present it with a threat.  The Daily Mail getting away with that angle time after time is surely an example!  The complete randomness with which decisions to propagate &#039;vanilla&#039; type information and even make financial decisions are surely too complex to ever really predict conclusively their overall outcome.

Perhaps a test to see what level of propagation multiple &#039;vanilla&#039; articles - those that start with zero credibility or stance within networks - need reach to be successful could try and discover what level, measurement or hierarchy it need attain to generate mass propagation.  i.e. does complete randomness stop at a certain level of its propagation and more determinable measurements continue its expansion (as expected - the more people that spend attention on an article suggest more will do the same), or are there no patterns to their expansion and does it simply rely on the random factors associated with each person propagating the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Patrick, very enjoyable.  I can see your assertion of the transfer of attention holding true in addition to the transfer of information.  But is it completely accurate to say that propagation of information cannot be measured by the value gained by its recipients and / or distributors?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest there is value, more from the perspective of the distributor as opposed to recipient or consumer, in respect of how that may be perceived within their tribe.  For example, by propagating your article as I&#8217;ve done, the value I gain (probably measured by total followers I receive relative to total followers pre-propagation, and / or a calculation of &#8216;value&#8217; it presents to those in my network who&#8217;ve chosen to &#8216;spend&#8217; some attention on it) is the growth of my network and / or the value I may present within it.  </p>
<p>Additionally, the more one studies the area of decision making the more you begin to unearth the plethora of pressure&#8217;s on a mind at any given time.  Take a golf shot for example.  I could be exactly the same distance away from a hole, on the same course on two different days and choose two different clubs.  The decision I make will depend on a whole series of criteria, some predictable and relatively stable calculations and others massively subjective.  The most subjective being the mind.  My minds state at the point I choose a club and my ability to therefore play the shot is something very difficult to rationalise, even by the person swinging the club!</p>
<p>Clay Shirky suggests that the quickest way to solidify a group is to present it with a threat.  The Daily Mail getting away with that angle time after time is surely an example!  The complete randomness with which decisions to propagate &#8216;vanilla&#8217; type information and even make financial decisions are surely too complex to ever really predict conclusively their overall outcome.</p>
<p>Perhaps a test to see what level of propagation multiple &#8216;vanilla&#8217; articles &#8211; those that start with zero credibility or stance within networks &#8211; need reach to be successful could try and discover what level, measurement or hierarchy it need attain to generate mass propagation.  i.e. does complete randomness stop at a certain level of its propagation and more determinable measurements continue its expansion (as expected &#8211; the more people that spend attention on an article suggest more will do the same), or are there no patterns to their expansion and does it simply rely on the random factors associated with each person propagating the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett J</title>
		<link>http://veryevolved.com/2009/01/follow-the-herd-how-behavior-and-stories-spread-through-online-crowds/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post and summation- appreciate your synthesis. As you say, traditional &quot;push&quot;-ing doesn&#039;t work in the digital environment. Things that people are willing to &#039;pull&#039; on their own seem to either have a certain unknowingness/unintentionality of their significance/humor, OR are embraced if they have a knowingness of itself/themselves relative to where they are in the environment. Something that is transparently a &quot;push&quot; people are quickly turned off by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post and summation- appreciate your synthesis. As you say, traditional &#8220;push&#8221;-ing doesn&#8217;t work in the digital environment. Things that people are willing to &#8216;pull&#8217; on their own seem to either have a certain unknowingness/unintentionality of their significance/humor, OR are embraced if they have a knowingness of itself/themselves relative to where they are in the environment. Something that is transparently a &#8220;push&#8221; people are quickly turned off by.</p>
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		<title>By: Chanakya</title>
		<link>http://veryevolved.com/2009/01/follow-the-herd-how-behavior-and-stories-spread-through-online-crowds/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Chanakya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick thanks for appreciating my addition to Seth Godin&#039;s list. I thoroughly enjoyed your post. Must say very deep thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick thanks for appreciating my addition to Seth Godin&#8217;s list. I thoroughly enjoyed your post. Must say very deep thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Liara Covert</title>
		<link>http://veryevolved.com/2009/01/follow-the-herd-how-behavior-and-stories-spread-through-online-crowds/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Liara Covert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it happens, I have a friend who runs a dairy farm. He does not tattoo his cows but they do exhibit a certain trend toward what humans would describe as &quot;clicks.&quot; Each person has choices about whether to follow a crowd or to go out on a limb. Some people are overwhelmed by choices.  Otehr people never take the time to explore their options.  Your post invites people to take another look at alternatives. After all, as you say, change is in the air!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens, I have a friend who runs a dairy farm. He does not tattoo his cows but they do exhibit a certain trend toward what humans would describe as &#8220;clicks.&#8221; Each person has choices about whether to follow a crowd or to go out on a limb. Some people are overwhelmed by choices.  Otehr people never take the time to explore their options.  Your post invites people to take another look at alternatives. After all, as you say, change is in the air!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://veryevolved.com/2009/01/follow-the-herd-how-behavior-and-stories-spread-through-online-crowds/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leo - Glad you liked it, I can see from reading your site that this is a big compliment - thanks!

And yes Malcolm Gladwell has some great ideas - I am yet to read his latest, but it&#039;s on my list as I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll be as fascinating as the tipping point.

Loved your article BTW, I would suggest to people that read this far down the page that they stop by and check it out.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leo &#8211; Glad you liked it, I can see from reading your site that this is a big compliment &#8211; thanks!</p>
<p>And yes Malcolm Gladwell has some great ideas &#8211; I am yet to read his latest, but it&#8217;s on my list as I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll be as fascinating as the tipping point.</p>
<p>Loved your article BTW, I would suggest to people that read this far down the page that they stop by and check it out.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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